Speeches by Moran.

“That did not exist, but currently funding is flowing through the ICBs?”

“This is what I am trying to get to. We have a lot of turmoil going on in this space currently. I appreciate your research is long standing and this is much more recent, but are you getting a sense of any impact on these teams as a result of the turmoil?”

“The key point is that when we talk about integration with early support hubs and so on, they just do not get mentioned. That is interesting in itself. Perhaps unsurprisingly, I went to visit one in Devon and the vast majority of young people there were there because they felt, in their words, that school had failed the…”

“Would system-level research be helpful?”

“To drill down into CBT, the national evaluation that was published in July 2025 found that 97% of interventions were low level. Have I misunderstood that? The most frequently selected interventions used by MHST were low-intensity CBT. That is 97%, which is a huge percentage. There has been concern that some groups, in …”

“Can you paint a picture for us? If you are a child who does not have those backgrounds, you are presenting and they think you need low-intensity CBT, how many sessions would you typically get? What might it look like?”

“Six to eight?”

“The practitioner will have, as you say, a manual in front of them leading them through the activities?”

“Is it dangerous? Would you go so far as to say that?”

“Was that set up by design or by accident?”

“That was presumably flowed through the ICBs?”

“How do they get commissioned? Who is commissioning them?”

“Focusing on mental health support teams, as that is your expertise, there was a common pot between the two Departments. Is that where the money came from?”

“Do you have any sense currently of how many practitioners work like that as opposed to in a much more peripatetic way?”

“It is just NHS funding?”

“Do you think that the lack of the mental health support leads who did exist has a negative impact on the ability to do that?”

“So what are the challenges then? The workforce is one we have heard a lot about already. Are there others?”

“Right. They will be sent out to the schools, deliver something during school hours and then go back to a base that is an NHS base. Is that what is happening?”

“Is there something about primary schools? At the moment they have less coverage than secondary. Morgan, why do you think that is and what can we do about it?”

“Focusing on mental health support teams, as that is your expertise, there was a common pot between the two Departments. Is that where the money came from?”