Speeches by Coleman.

“And vice versa, as I said at the beginning.”

“It will be different. My contention, which we have discussed in the past, is that the NHS broadly does not understand social care, and social care does not understand the NHS as well as it could, but understands it better. The Committee recently made a visit to the Isle of Wight, which was very interesting, because the…”

“Okay, that is helpful. Thank you. Coming to local authorities, the person spec for the job talked about having an understanding of the “contribution local authorities make to delivering positive health outcomes.” When the Secretary of State came to see the Committee, he said he did not think that local government feels…”

“So it might lead to cuts in hospital funding?”

“Zero-based budgeting is, of course, a good way to go in any system, but the NHS is obviously a system unlike any other, because the size and complexity make it more difficult. I get the feeling that you are saying that there is more money in the system than there was when the previous Government felt it was necessary t…”

“I also welcome the statement by the Deputy Prime Minister. The people in my constituency of Chelsea and Fulham stand shoulder to shoulder with the people who lived in Grenfell Tower, who have suffered hugely. The pain is still felt throughout the whole community. I am delighted to hear my hon. Friend the Member for Ken…”

“Anita?”

“Thank you. To be clear, I haven’t primed Oonagh to say Hammersmith and Fulham, but I am very happy that she did. You touched on the Government’s role. Going back to economic growth, because that is what I am focusing on, do you think there is enough consideration given by the Government to the contribution of the adult…”

“That is helpful.”

“Thank you; that is very helpful. Anita, could I pick up a couple of things you said, although everything you are all saying is very interesting? You talked about commissioning in a different way, and you said that not all reforms need more money. Do you want to unpack that?”

“That is obviously very worrying. Is it because they prefer to care than have the person they are caring for looked after by adult social care, because they cannot get the adult social care, or for other reasons?”

“It is great to see you all. I have had the pleasure of working with Anita on the North West London integrated board as a member. I have known Emily for many years and the work she does for carers. Oonagh, it is good to meet you properly. It is very interesting to hear how you make the link between economic growth, cari…”

“On people appearing to be one thing and actually being something else, does the hon. Member agree that 100% of the gambling levy should be given to independent bodies that are answerable to Ministers and Parliament, not to charities backed by gambling companies?”

“I also had a deeply moving meeting last week with a constituent whose son, aged just 19, had tragically taken his own life, having become addicted to online gambling after six months of the same sort of advertising pressure my hon. Friend described. Does my hon. Friend agree that it is time for all parts of Government …”

“The hon. Lady mentions the Horizon scandal. Is she of the opinion that the previous Government’s failure to address the Horizon scandal over such a long period of time and the billions of pounds that have had to be spent sorting out the mess since then have nothing to do with the financial problems that the Post Office…”

“I am very grateful to the hon. Member for Taunton and Wellington (Gideon Amos) for securing this timely debate. I was glad to have the opportunity to support him in doing so. Hon. Members have described very powerfully the closures that are happening in their constituencies. In my constituency, the last remaining post …”

“Have you undertaken the analysis of the opportunity cost?”

“I don’t take that as a yes. Am I right in saying that is not a yes?”

“Great. Have you pulled all those people together and said, “This is a real problem”? Do they accept that it is a real problem? Have you pulled them together to do that, take it forward, and try to find a solution?”

“When you say “us working together”, who is the “us”?”