Speeches by Vaughan.

“I completely agree, and will go on to make those very points. That was the deal. The Government are now considering doubling the wait for settlement from five years to 10, and up to 15 years for care workers. One of the most contentious elements of the consultation is that that will apply to people who are already here…”

“The situation in the right hon. Gentleman’s constituency is similar to that in my constituency of Folkestone and Hythe, where there has been a long-term recruitment and retention crisis. As a coastal area, workers can only go one way. There are massive problems and, as he said, they will be worsened by this proposal.”

“I do agree, and that is the exact point I was going to make. Returning to the example I was just recounting, my mother attended this patient’s funeral, as she did for many. That shows that roles like hers are not just work; they provide a real service to the public. Her profession is extremely important during critical…”

“Does the Minister have evidence about how many people you think are going to switch from not claiming benefits to claiming benefits, or from not being in social housing to being in social housing, or is this just a political judgment?”

“I want to ask about appeals from a magistrates court to the Crown court. Is it the proposal that a judge alone will hear both the permission to appeal and the appeal itself? Does your modelling factor in the time those stages would take?”

“But is the systemic change not factored into the model? Does the model not need to assume behaviour change?”

“Will you make that entire model transparently public so that Sir Ashley can put his sitting days into it, which he says are irrelevant but would actually show what the outputs would be?”

“The earlier witnesses were not able to provide an answer to this question. It would be really useful for us to have information, in due course, on the number of these kinds of appeals that end up being resolved in the appellant’s favour because witnesses do not turn up.”

“Is the ability of juries to deal with the evidence being presented to them part of the cause of the increased timeframes? Is that part of your case?”

“I am just trying to understand the extent to which it is part of your case—whether you need to or not is not my question. It is about whether you do say that it is, and it sounds like you are saying that it does to an extent. Is that your position?”

“I am just trying to understand the extent to which it is part of your case—whether you need to or not is not my question. It is about whether you do say that it is, and it sounds like you are saying that it does to an extent. Is that your position?”

“Will legal aid cover permission to appeal? There are some jurisdictions where you do not get paid unless you get permission to appeal. Will you ensure that they do, in any event, so as to mitigate any concerns about the reduction in rights from changing appeal rights?”

“You have not mentioned juries in your list of factors that are structural problems. To what extent does your model attribute any responsibility for increased trial time to juries? The earlier witness said that she does not think that the increased trial time is because of juries. I was trying to establish the extent to…”

“You have not mentioned juries in your list of factors that are structural problems. To what extent does your model attribute any responsibility for increased trial time to juries? The earlier witness said that she does not think that the increased trial time is because of juries. I was trying to establish the extent to…”

“Does your model attribute delay, or a portion of these increasing trial times, to each of those elements?”

“I wanted to come back to a question raised by Mr Juss, who referred to the evidence from a previous witness, who said that jury trial times have doubled since 2001, but that that is not because of having a jury. That increase shows there are structural issues that I assume you are saying justify some of these changes. …”

“Forgive me; I am talking about the length of the trials, or the time that cases are taking to be resolved, which is perhaps not about the volume of cases. Taking individual cases, each case is taking longer to resolve. What are the factors behind that?”

“That all presupposes that you have transcripts of the proceedings below. Are you confident that you have the technology in place to be able to do that quite easily?”

“I wanted to come back to a question raised by Mr Juss, who referred to the evidence from a previous witness, who said that jury trial times have doubled since 2001, but that that is not because of having a jury. That increase shows there are structural issues that I assume you are saying justify some of these changes. …”

“Ms Sackman, I wanted to pick up on Mr Juss’s point about—[Interruption.]”