Speeches by Wrigley.

“Q11. US big tech has exploited us for far too long, so I am delighted that the Met police followed my advice and pushed Apple and Google to implement the stolen handset blacklist, curbing resales and cutting mobile theft by almost half. Likewise, does the Prime Minister agree that it is time to stand up to social media…”

“Minister Gill, this is very interesting. I have been reading the contract for quite a long time. It is the first contract I have ever seen that talks about know-how, which belongs entirely to Palantir. You are right that what the NHS takes into the contract, it takes out again at the end, but most of the rest of it end…”

“We have sophisticated technology doing all of the things that we want to do in terms of federated data, data analysis and the single patient record already provided by UK-based companies already running, already providing benefits arguably greater than Palantir has done. And that already covers, from what I can see, mo…”

“These are using a standardised thing called Cypher, which ran from 2020 to 2023. Is that right?”

“I think what the story of Manchester is telling us is that one of the things we need to do is to bring the stakeholders with us, bring the patients with us and bring the trust with us—not the NHS trust but the trust of patients and GPs. Do you think this is sounding like a trustworthy system at the moment, despite the …”

“Okay. Thank you very much.”

“It does not give me confidence when you say that the NHS is controlling all the data and it knows what it is doing with it when it is clearly making errors like this, which is one of the obvious points.”

“Therefore, you have everything you need, you have everything the FDP can do, and more, because you have the single patient record already existing across Greater Manchester?”

“I understand that about 30%, at least, of the population is already covered by the sort of functionality you have in Greater Manchester.”

“There are other suppliers, other than the ones you are using, that are doing similar roles in other trusts, in other places.”

“NHS England’s medium-term planning framework, from October last year, suggests “all providers in acute, community, and mental health sectors are onboarded to the NHS Federated Data Platform (FDP) and using its core products” to the exclusion of all others. Is that something you think can be achieved by 2028-29, which i…”

“Thank you for that. That is quite useful, because it moves me on to data security, trust and rolling up into the national level. It came to light again in the Financial Times recently that NHS England has removed the project-by-project permissions for engineers moving data into the national instance from the local trus…”

“We are running a little short on time. Can I just put one further question to you? You mentioned research, is it your understanding that the FDP is designed as a place for getting research data from? You were talking about future-proofing and getting research data out of the system.”

“That is a no, then.”

“Who is running that audit?”

“Of course. Is Manchester unique?”

“NHS England are auditing NHS England?”

“It is a pleasure to guest on your Select Committee, Chair. Matt, how much do you already have in place in Greater Manchester of what the Federated Data Platform is trying to achieve?”

“Thames Valley.”

“Hopefully they will do better, but how will we get confidence back for patients across the country that they can trust the system?”