Speeches by Jopp.

“The pubs in Spelthorne are under the cosh. The Minister, in answer to my hon. Friend the Member for Broadland and Fakenham (Jerome Mayhew), said that a review of pubs and how they are valued for business rates purposes is ongoing. She will know that the review will not be relevant until 2029. Pubs are closing today. Yo…”

“Do you now have a process and systems in place so that every person sending out data to third parties knows exactly what they are sending out?”

“It depends how competent the checker was, what they were looking for and how they were doing it.”

“No, indeed, but it is just about record keeping.”

“But you have said in your written evidence that the data breach took place despite “officials…following agreed processes”. Do you stand by that statement?”

“Okay. We now have a bit of a problem, because, as you know, the main data breach was not the first; there was a prior data breach. It was brought to the Secretary of State for Defence’s attention, and he put in place additional protocols that were to be enacted. Specifically, all data was meant to be checked by two sup…”

“To follow that down to the nth degree, have the Joint Forces Command or the services been given specific new operating procedures, so that when they conduct expeditionary operations, they have it set out: “This is how we want you to disburse money, work alongside indigenous sources and employ civilians locally”?”

“No, clearly.”

“Okay. Let us take that to its logical conclusion. Have you, either technically or in human processes, put in place a methodology whereby whatever checks you were to do today would be discovered and not released?”

“When you got read on, was Mr Speaker one of the people who had been read on? You just said you were aware of the other parliamentarians. Was he one that you were aware of?”

“Minister, you have just said in your evidence to us that you are not able to comment on the circumstances around the original data breach—you have said that in the last five minutes. But according to your written evidence, the main data breach took place despite “officials…following agreed processes”. Do you still stan…”

“When you were read on, presumably you were shown a list of the other people in the compartment so that you knew who you could discuss it with.”

“You did not hear anything about the data breach before you were read in.”

“Mr Wilson, when did you first become aware of the data breach?”

“You felt sufficiently empowered to say in your written evidence that the breach took place despite “officials…following agreed processes”.”

“Now that the review has concluded, part of the root cause of the problems there seems to be a failure to verify Triples’ identities. What lessons have we learned from that, what have you put in place in terms of process and lessons identified, and who is responsible for ensuring that we do not repeat something like tha…”

“Sir Ben Wallace’s view was that a certain amount of consent and evade might have gone on, and he said to us that someone clearly “did not do their job” because he had put these new protocols in place. You just said that even if they were followed, they would not have found it. Were they followed or not?”

“Otherwise, you have learned the lessons at the policy level, but unless the troops have been told to do something different from what they did last time, you are just going to repeat it.”

“I thank the Secretary of State for his statement. Is he concerned that by reducing the relative punishment for youth offending relative to adult offending, he may inadvertently be making the young people of Spelthorne and across the country more attractive to be recruited by county lines gangs? That would clearly be an…”

“I thank the Secretary of State for his statement. Unlike others, I have not had the benefit of reading it beforehand, so I hope that he will forgive me when I say that it is very high protein and will take a little while to process. To pick up on the remarks he just made to the hon. Member for Plymouth Moor View (Fred …”