Speeches by Bryant.

“You mean in this Session? I do not know the answer to that. That is normally for the Chief Whip and the Leader of the House to decide.”

“Completely, because you will have to apply for a licence for any of those. Obviously, the precise legislation is still to be laid, but we intend to do so as soon as we can.”

“If you are knowingly evading sanctions, then you are breaking the law on sanctions and that is a criminal offence.”

“At the moment, you would talk to us; when the legislation comes in, you will have to seek a licence and be able to prove where it is going to go and where it is going to stay. I can give another ECJU example: say you were producing protective vests and you were selling them to the police force in another country. You w…”

“If you are knowingly expecting it to go to Russia, then you would be breaking the law. That is an offence.”

““Safe in the knowledge” is quite an interesting phrase to use there. If you are knowingly and/or, I think, recklessly—or should it be “knowingly and recklessly”?”

“First of all, as you just said, we have a good knowledge of the people who would be engaged in making such things, and the list that I was about to talk about starts with Armenia and includes Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Türkiye, Thailand, Serbia, India, the UAE, Vietnam, China and Malaysia. In each of those cou…”

“I will do it whenever you want.”

“Actually, would it be useful for me to say which are the jurisdictions where we recommend extra due diligence?”

“Yes.”

“If you look at some of the common high priority list—I have got it here; it is quite extensive, and I will obviously not go through all of it—it includes photosensitive semiconductor devices, transistors other than photosensitive ones, and diodes. It is a fairly specific list. Some of that is produced in the UK, and we…”

“No, because I am not sure where you are going with this.”

“Yes.”

“First, the world changes, and we note different versions of diversion or evasion of sanctions, so we want to make sure that we tackle that. That is particularly in relation to the Russian shadow fleet. It is not just that we wanted to tackle the fleet ships themselves, but one of the things we spotted more recently was…”

“We tend to produce packages of sanctions, partly because it makes it easier for those watching this space—industry and the sector—to understand exactly what is happening. You could argue that we should identify each ship one by one, but we think it is better to do it in a package. You are right: in one sense, the date …”

“It is just that we do not produce some of those items. That is why we have our own bespoke list of things about which we are most concerned, because we do produce them and they might be going to other countries. Some items might be in a sector significant to us. They are still sanctioned things and we are trying to mak…”

“End of.”

“Everything on the common high priority list is sanctioned.”

“This is the sanctions list. It is a criminal offence for them to be provided by the UK. As I say, some of those things are not produced in the UK at all, so it is not an issue for us, but they are produced by other countries on the list that I mentioned.”

“I will turn to my officials in a moment. I want to reserve my position a little, because we already control quite a lot of things and we do thousands of licences every year. One of my concerns, as I have expressed to the Committee before, is about making sure that we are making timely decisions on those licences. If we…”