Speeches by Munt.

“Really?”

“What might have provoked those payments?”

“You said you did not receive bonuses generally.”

“Unusual?”

“Okay, fine. Have you ever received a bonus?”

“While we are talking about caring for people and working conditions, I wondered if I might just ask you this. You receive bonuses, I presume, every year. You don’t?”

“Thank you.”

“So what you are saying to me is that the recommendation Chris Henley made about every case—all cases that related to the possibility of where there were DNA opportunities that might need to be looked at again—is in train, because you have adopted all his recommendations, and that is happening.”

“And others.”

“What is the trigger for that? Clearly there has been a big problem in the past, hasn’t there, if no one recognises the importance of somebody who is in prison saying, “I wasn’t there,” and you have DNA evidence? We have several cases, have we not, where the DNA evidence for the person who has been convicted was not evi…”

“Okay, that is fine. Thank you very much indeed. What of other scientific expertise? You said that you have changed the way that you operate, so how often do you employ forensic experts and specialists?”

“Everybody is trained already.”

“Is that three times a year, or whatever you said—”

“What kind of turnover of staff do you have?”

“Thank you. Can I just bring you to the matter of DNA evidence and what kind of training is given to staff on that? Evidently, in 2009 there was DNA evidence that was not properly understood and opportunities to get fuller DNA results that were missed. The CCRC’s response to Chris Henley’s recommendations said that a fo…”

“I am concerned only because there are other cases, aren’t there, like Nealon, with broadly the same sorts of things? I recognise that that was an old case and before Malkinson, but isn’t there a pattern of trying to see whether it fits into a box and saying, “The Court of Appeal would agree with this”? From what you ar…”

“If you send that to the Chair, that would be fine.”

“The other thing that I would quite like you to do is to dig out the instruction that you had not to publish during the period of the general election and send that to the Chair as well. That would be helpful.”

“Thank you, and those that you have not progressed already as well.”

“Probably the best thing that I can ask you to do is to communicate with the Chair after this. If you could write to the Chair explaining exactly those things, that would be very helpful. That would be good because it would make it clear.”