Speeches by Evans.

“I would be grateful if the Minister could comment on the certificates being combined. There is a concern, if we go from two certificates to one, that the reason why two certificates were chosen in the first place could be lost, especially if the certificates are competing. There could be an incumbent preponderance towa…”

“I am grateful for the opportunity to scrutinise clauses 13 and 14. Clause 13 will make significant amendments to how medical treatment is administered under the Mental Health Act 1983 in circumstances in which a patient refuses, or is deemed to have refused, that treatment. The clause points us to significant questions…”

“You have actually caught me at a perfect point, Mr Vickers. The concept of therapeutic benefit is central to the second opinion doctor’s assessment. However, in clinical practice, interpretations of therapeutic benefit can vary considerably. How do the Government propose to ensure consistency and fairness in such asses…”

“Forgive me, Mr Vickers; I will get to the point a little more briefly, but the whole point is that the person has to be appointed through the CQC. The CQC will make that decision, because by definition it is the body that makes such decisions. If it is not resourced properly or if it has problems, regulatory or otherwi…”

“Clause 21 will introduce a statutory duty to provide care and treatment plans for most patients detained under the Mental Health Act in England. It is, in the Government’s own words, a cornerstone of the reform package, so it warrants thorough scrutiny. Under the current legal framework, there is no universal statutory…”

“The Minister makes an excellent point, and that is part of the reason why the Opposition did not want to spring this question on the Government in an amendment or a vote, but rather to have the conversation first, because this is an important clause to get right. The two sides can be worked on in parallel when consider…”

“I appreciate the hon. Lady’s insight, both as a politician and as a patient. I guess the Opposition are concerned that there is no explicit duty here, which is why legislating for that is so important. There was a huge number of inquiries about the case from 2011. There have been sufficient changes, but in 2023, as we …”

“I am grateful for the opportunity to speak to clause 10, which addresses the nomination of the responsible clinician under the Mental Health Act. As we have heard, the responsible clinician is a pivotal figure in the operation of the Act, holding substantial legal powers in relation to detention, treatment and discharg…”

“I appreciate the answer that the Minister gave, but we would like to probe the opinion of the Committee, given the principles that are enshrined in the Bill and childhood trauma is an example of something with a causal factor. Amendment proposed: 44, in clause 8, page 15, line 17, at end insert— “(iii) seeks to minimis…”

“I think I see where the Minister is coming from, but to take the example that he chose last time we spoke about this, there could be someone with a severe eating disorder. At the moment, there are in-patients with an eating disorder whose care is seen as palliative. Part of the problem lies in how we decide what is a r…”

“There are a few questions to be answered. Given the nature of acquired brain injury—for example, the capacity of someone who has had a stroke can fluctuate—it is very hard from a clinical position to know where the benefit of treatment starts or finishes. We must future-proof the Bill. We have an ageing population, so …”

“I bow to the hon. Member’s expertise on this; the problem is that all the evidence shows that the police are the first there. I would like to see much more of him and his colleagues being able to respond and carry this out. We are giving them the legal certainty to do so. That is the argument for making sure that we ha…”

“It is an excellent and eagle-eyed point. I would point to the evidence base that I cited, starting from 1988 onwards. That is three and half decades’ worth of evidence that points to a causal factor. In my clinical background, I have seen patients that I think it relates to. Perhaps I will stand corrected, but I am not…”

“My hon. Friend is a shrewd surveyor of legislation, and even foresees the amendments that I have tabled, which may well expose and shine a little light on something that might make a difference. In essence, he is right: trying to future-proof the Bill, while ensuring that it is robust and applicable, was at the heart o…”

“I will speak to clause 8 first, then work my way through the other provisions in the group. The clause will introduce a statutory requirement that medical treatment under the Act must have a reasonable prospect of therapeutic benefit for the individual. This is a significant and, I believe, welcome development, bringin…”

“If the Minister will forgive me, I was not being facetious when asking for numbers; I was simply using it as an example. I am grateful to his officials for providing the numbers so quickly when I asked for them during the debate on clause 6. When he has the chance, could he write to Opposition Members setting out how t…”

“I rise to speak on an essential aspect of our mental health system: the role of mental health tribunals, and the proposed changes to the grounds upon which they can discharge individuals detained under the Mental Health Act 1983. Each year in England and Wales, about 20,000 people come before a mental health tribunal. …”

“The Minister makes an excellent point about the services that are required, but key to all this is the underlying research. Has research already been commissioned into this? If not, would he look at commissioning in the space of ethnic minorities, the impacts of CTOs and mental health? That might shine a light on what …”

“The hon. Lady is making an excellent speech and an excellent observation, and she clearly understands the rationale for the amendment. I just wonder, given that the use of a CTO is currently a clinical decision, why we find ourselves facing this problem in the first place. Ensuring a review and putting it on a statutor…”

“I will resist the temptation to go back to the start of my speech; I am sure that the Committee’s memories of it will have lasted over our short lunch break. I was saying that although the Government’s reforms are, on the whole, positive, we must remain vigilant. The consideration of risks must be applied carefully and…”