Speeches by Turner.

“That point about walking and cycling modelling, and not taking into account journey time savings, is really interesting. Is that a factor in the DFT’s modelling?”

“Basically, it is about whether there is a case for moving from a single national approach to a more place-based approach to appraisal and business cases. The question comes about from evidence we have had from Cornwall Council and other areas that argue they may be disadvantaged by the current standard approach.”

“I suppose the benefits you have described, and Mr Johnson in particular described, are wider economic benefits. Is there any evidence of direct economic benefits for transport users? We are thinking about the up-front cost, which is often required from investment in integrated transport. Is there any scope for price re…”

“This is not the first time that central Government have talked about wanting to encourage and co-ordinate better transport integration. There is a wonderful quote when Barbara Castle was appointed Transport Minister in 1965, and Harold Wilson said to her, “Your job is to produce the integrated transport policy we promi…”

“I wonder if I might invite Mr Jones to comment on this question as well, bearing in mind that your members will include these areas.”

“Good morning. I just wanted to pick up on Alex’s question about gaps in data and information, because the Committee has heard in other areas that there are important gaps between modes. For example, we know much more about rates of harassment on trains than we do on buses. So, thinking in two parts: any data collected …”

“You have mentioned some examples of international best practice and where it has been done well. Are there any other examples that you wish to bring to our attention?”

“I know it is a document we are all eagerly anticipating. Moving on to the way we measure transport benefits, some of which has been touched on in earlier evidence, what metrics should be used to evaluate transport integration and its impacts? I would like to start with Ms Carpenter. We would be particularly interested …”

“The final question from me is the modal shift question. I am conscious of time, so please do not feel the need for everyone to come in on this question unless you feel compelled to do so. Would a focus on providing more joined-up journeys encourage modal shift and potentially reduce car use? If so, how, and how good is…”

“On bigger trials, what would an appropriate geography be for such an experiment in buses, in your view?”

“Just to be absolutely sure, when you say a stick, are you talking about measures like congestion charging and workplace parking levers?”

“That point has come up in previous evidence sessions. Something we have been told in written evidence is that standard appraisal methods do not always serve particular areas very well, such as areas with unusual geographies or rural areas. For example, unusual geographies might include Cornwall or Cumbria. Do you think…”

“We have heard about good examples of integration being done well, both in the UK and internationally. We have also heard evidence that bringing different modes together at one point in time and space is not enough. Are there any examples of integration projects being done badly that you would like to draw to our attent…”

“Will the hon. Gentleman acknowledge that progress has been made on the cultural issues and the micro-management that he describes? I note in passing that he dates that culture from 2012 onwards, which was, of course, entirely under the Government of which he was part. In the Transport Committee, we heard that until the…”

“I will not test the wisdom of speculating about future legal circumstances, but is it not the case that when Railtrack was in a state of advanced collapse, that particular case did end up in court?”

“I appreciate what the hon. Gentleman is saying, but we have to consider the new clauses before us as drafted. Does he accept that almost no railways in the world run without subsidy on a net basis and that, where they do, there are unique geographical circumstances? The railways in Great Britain have operated with subs…”

“Will the Minister give way?”

“On amendments 125 and 127, I have full sympathy with the ambition of reducing costs to the taxpayer wherever possible. However, the word “minimise” is important here, because a natural reading would be to bring that cost to a minimum. Each Government have recognised that there is a balance to be struck between the char…”

“I again draw the Committee’s attention to the fact that I am a member of Unite the union. Does the Minister agree that changes to terms and conditions, if they happen at all, often take place on a very long-term transitionary basis? Indeed, that is my understanding of what happened the last time that the railways came …”

“The 1992 White Paper that preceded the Railways Act 1993 said that, at the time, British Rail had the second highest workforce productivity of any railway in Europe. What does the hon. Member think went wrong in all the years under privatisation that followed?”